Ramage Family History


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    Short Title Letter to Sophia Cameron 
    Author Robert Cameron, II 
    Publisher This is a copy of a copy written by Jane Douglas (Jane Withers Douglas) in pen and ink that she had copied from what was written by Robert Cameron II. Jane copied it to give to Charles H. Withers Sr. 
    Source ID S81 
    Text A copy of this document was found in the papers of Gilbert Ramage. It is believed that he received it from his sister, Gertrude Ramage, who recalls being contacted by “someone” regarding the Ramage family history. Nothing further is know about the document at this time. Where handwritten notations appear, they are indicated by square brackets.
    Steve Ramage, May, 2003
    This is a copy of a copy written by Jane Douglas (Jane Withers Douglas) in pen and ink that she had copied from what was written by Robert Cameron II. Jane copied it to give to Charles H. Withers Sr.
    Your mother (that would be Sophia Cameron [Janet's sister]) was the youngest as well as the handsomest of my grandfather's (Alex) (family. She was tall and slender with beautiful rosy cheeks. Your father was a highly educated man. They were married in E. Nissouri.
    Your Mother's (Sophia's) [Janet's] grandmother (Mary of Glen Nevis) was Mary Cameron of Glen Nevis. My grandfather (Alex) (your mother's father) was nearly 19 years old when the family left the Glen Nevis Estate near For William Scotland. I have seen the beautiful soft maple and birch trees which he planted in front of the manor house along the Nevis River and down the road on the Estate for about 1/8 of a mile. It is one of the most beautiful avenues I ever saw. They came to America about 1772-3 and settled on the Estates of Sir William Johnson near Johnstowne New Your York.
    I saw the book in which my great grandfather (Donald [John] Cameron), married to Mary Cameron of Glen Nevis was entered as a tenant of Sir William. I also saw the land on which they lived, but did not go far enough north to see the Cameron Dam although I did cross the Cameron creek. Mary of Glen Nevis had £150 a year from the old Estate until the war of revolution broke out.
    She with our great grandfather (Donald [John] Cameron) was with Prince Charlie during his 8 day hiding before Flora McDonald took him to the French frigate and many a tale she told my mother (Nancy Ross) about Bonnie Prince Charlie. Our grandfather Alex Cameron fought against the revolutionist under Sir William Johnson and was captured three times and condemned to be shot as a spy. The last time his life was saved by his mother (Mary of Glen Nevis) going all the way from Albany New York on horseback to Valley Forge and on her knees pleading for her boy. As my mother (Nancy Ross) says she was the handsomest women she ever saw. General Washington was easily persuaded to grant a pardon but on the condition that she take the whole family at once to Canada. And this she did going by steam all the way from Johnstown New York to the Niagra (?) [sic] This they crossed to St. Catherine's and thence by sail down to Cornwall Ontario. There they build a house on the Quarries (?) abiye about three miles out of Cornwall, where your mother was born. The house stands there still. I was there many years ago when your mother's uncle (John Cameron?) and Mary of Glen Nevis' son (Lieutenant Colonel John Cameron) lived on it. His Grandchildren are still in Cornwall. Now my father and all the family came West about 1820 because each one of these got 200 acres of land from the government because grandfather (Alex) was a United Empire Loyalist.
    Way back the Cameron's were of Lochiel descent. The Estate is about 14 miles long and 7 miles wide. It takes in the whole of Glen Nevis also Den (?) Nevis. The old manor house still stands there in fine preservation just as it was when our ancestors lived on it 150 years ago. So also is the Nevis River running directly in front of the manor.

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    (An ending written by Jane Douglas to this copy says: I am afraid you will find plenty mistakes in this as Will (William Douglas) keeps reading aloud every little while but you can rewrite it

    (On the end of this letter Charles H. Withers Jr. who was then Sr. wrote on 12/8/1958 in pen and ink:)

    This history was written up by Aunt Jane Douglas to one of her brothers perhaps my dad (Charles H. Withers I). My sister Jane D. Withers Birkenbeue had same and same was found when she moved last week to a new home. Back in 1924-5 Robert Cameron, Frances' father told me the story while he was living in Seattle Washington. The Alex Cameron mentioned above [*] who fought for King George during the revolution was 1st captured by the Yankees and held in a farm house as a spy. He exchanged clothes with a girl on the farm, took a milk bucked ant walked out to milk the cows, passing by some 20 men watching over him. So he escaped. Have no knowledge of the 2nd escape but the 3rd time was at Valley Forge and as above Geo. Washington pardoned him and the family left the states. Rev. Robert Cameron (II) took a trip to Scotland and saw the old Cameron Estate. The Camerons were related to Lochiel Cameron who lead the Scots under Prince Charlie against the English commanded by the Duke of Cumberland ant the battle of Culloden April 16, 1746 and was cruelly defeated. Prince Charlie was the last of the Stuarts in line for the crown of both England and Scotland. Encyclopedia Britannica 9th Ed. Page 426
    [* Alex Cameron was Janet Ramage's father]
    Extract from letter received from Robert Grinsel, dated April 6, 1947:

    “Last Sunday I had a very nice visit with some of our Cameron relatives in Scarsdale (about 45 min. by train from N.Y.C.). It was with Uncle D.J.'s daughter Mary, Mrs. H.E. Cary, widow of Dr. Cary of Minneapolis, who is visiting her daughter Jeanette (Mrs. Thos. Sheehy of Scarsdale). About two years ago Maude called on Grace Cameron who still lives in the old D.J. home at Lacrosse. Mary (Mrs. Cary) happened to be visiting there at the time. Mrs. Cary has a priceless lot of notes taken from the old Cameron family bible regarding the Cameron and McIntosh Clans in our family trees. She visited Canada about 60 years ago and copied the notes from the bible which at that time was in Uncle Sam Cameron's possession. Maybe you will remember I was trying to find out who now has the old family bible that Uncle Sam had 60 years ago. I was told that Johnny Cameron did not have it. She also has notes gathered by her first cousin, the late Robert Cameron of Denver, Colorado, who founded Vassar [Colorado Women's College] College in Denver. It was most interesting for me to note from these records that our great grandfather, Lt.-Col. Cameron was born at Albany, N.Y. in 1779. His wife, Nancy McIntosh, our great grandmother also was born there. They both left with their parents at the end of the Revolutionary War and as children from Canada with the Loyalists. The Camerons settled at their home 'The Quarries' near Cornwall, and the McIntosh family settled at St. Andrews, Ontario. As you no doubt know, both our gr. Grandfather and gr. Grandmother together with their parents, John and Mary Cameron are buried in a plot on the old place, 'The Quarries.' Mrs. Cary's notes give a lot of detail about the family background in Inverness, Scotland, of both John Cameron gr. gr. Grandfather and gr. Gr. Grandmother Mary Cameron. As you remember she was the one who was known as 'Lady Mary' of Glen Nevis. She was a wealthy heiress. Her family opposed her marriage with John Cameron who was a poor young man and had been rejected for Army service because he was not tall enough. Mary slipped out the window and married him anyway in spite of her family opposition. They lived happily for several years in her home. All their children were born there except the last two, one of whom was our gr. grandfather. These two were born after John and Mary Cameron moved to new York. Nancy McIntosh's parents came over here about the same time. History records that there was a mass exodus of Scottish families from that part of Scotland after the Battle of Culloden April 16, 1745. The Cameron Clan were the first to join Prince Charlie's forces. The Macintoshes who took part in that Battle of Culloden were all killed in an historic exhibition of bravery and valor. Castle May Hall at Inverness is the seat of The McIntosh Clan. Prince Charlie slept there the night before the Battle of Culloden. Mary Cameron's house was known as 'Ben Nevis.'” 
    Linked to Robert Cameron
    Nancy Ross